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 Post subject: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback. '00 BH6 (Exhaust vid 9/2)
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:33 am 
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Car: MY'00 Outback (Base) 4EAT w/premium sound
Purchase Date: 8/14/2000
Purchase Location: Bremerton, WA
Mileage: 178,578, and counting (updated 9/2/12)

Mods: Updated 9/2/2012

**Engine**
-PerfectPower6 Piggyback w/maps for 91UL and 100LL AvGas
-Full 3" intake setup w/torque box mod, snorkel coming soon
-Borla replica UEL header, ported/polished
-Gutted stock catpipe
-Custom stainless 2.25" catback tucked into trans tunnel, glasspack muffler
-Painted stock intake mani wrinkle black
-Valve covers and injector guards shot in gloss black
-Ported/Gasket matched intake manifold
-Gasket matched and shaved heads (higher C/R)
-Delta cams
-2009 STI nitrided crankshaft
-New OEM pistons and rods
-Crawford main bearings
-Crawford rod bearings
-Gates Racing Timing Belt
-FelPro PermaTorque MLS head gaskets
-NGK Iridium Plugs
-Injectors cleaned, tested to new condition
-STI GroupN engine mounts
-Fully rebuilt 4EAT w/mods
-Centre diff lock switch
-Radiator fan shutoff switch (coming w/snorkel)
-Prosport Oil Pressure Gauge
-Prosport Oil Temperature Gauge
-Prosport Water Temperature Gauge
-Scangauge II displaying TPS, Water Temp, IAT, and Bat. Voltage
-Air conditioning delete (including condenser, etc)
-Shell Rotella T6 5W-40 engine oil
-Wix 51365 Oil Filter
-Subaru ATF-HP auto trans fluid
-Subaru OEM 4EAT filter
-other stuff I'm forgetting.

**Suspension and Braking**
-KYB GR-2 Struts
-Subaru OEM Subaru Baja front springs and Subtle Solutions spacers (+2" lift)
-RalliTEK Heavy Duty Rear Springs (+2" lift)
-Custom Alignment
-Axxis Ultimate Ceramic brake pads
-225-60-16 General Alitmax HP's on stock 10-spoke alloys
-Full size spare, roof mounted

**Interior/Exterior and lighting**
-MY'04 FXT 4EAT leather shift knob
-Pioneer DEH-P6000UB Head Unit
-Custom single DIN toggle switch panel
-RoadBlockR sound deadening in the hatch
-All weather front floor mats
-Subaru A/W rear floor mats
-Custom aluminum front skid plate
-Thule crossbars
-cheap Swagman bike rack
-DRL delete + GE Tungsram Selective Yellow H1 lowbeams
-Trailer hitch + various balls/hooks for towing/offroading
-Front tow hook cover removed, hook painted red







On to the pics! I've tried to put them in order, and add captions above them all. My goal in my mods are to make the car more functional and fun to drive, and just to make it my own in general. In the pics it's mostly clean, I detail cars as a part time job and while I love running it through the mud, I can't help but come home and hose it off. It's just a 'bad' habit. :lol: The beginning of the pictures start at my dad's place in DC, then we end up here in TN for the recent stuff.

My modding style is generally subtle, but tasteful and functional. I also have a '92 Chevy 4x4 pickup that is heavily modified, but looks completely stock, and sounds almost stock. Sleepers are my thing.


Stock bay:

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Resonator Baleet!

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Then I decided to tackle the paint. All of the road grime had turned the White Birch in to more of a, err... looming thunderstorm? Anyway, here are pics of the detail, and the stock exterior and interior afterward.

First pic shows a before/after comparison.

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Mah stock knob was all rubberish and wobbly (heh, that made me laugh for some reason) so my friend Pleiad on SF.org sold me her knob out of her rally-beast forester. I'm fully convinced that this is the fastest part of my car. http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y208/S ... ive250.jpg

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Got bored, went to home depot, and bought an intake.

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Then I couldn't help myself... I gots a mystery box! Notice the brand new Rex in our garage. It was my detail job for the day, and the owner had the Outback. So when Dad got home (he didn't know about it) I informed him that I went to the dealer and traded. He was like :shock: and then :lol:

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These were inside! I took it to a dealer to get them done since Andrewtech couldn't fit me in (we were about to move down to NC). I had the dealer add H6 front springs as well. Dealer took THREE FREAKING DAYS to do it, and in the process, cut off my control arms and charged me for new ones. A quick call to the dealer's owner (dad's golf buddy) got me a nice discount, but I was still peeved. It came straight home from the dealer and got loaded on a trailer for the trip down. In the pic it has about 650lbs of stuff in the back.

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Pics from the trip down.


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In October I flew out to NC and brought my baby home. Dad was using it to haul stuff around while they moved in.

*continued in next post*


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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:47 am 
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First thing's first. Gotta refinish those awful cloudy headlights. This was the day after I brought it home.

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Urrrrg, need moar parking space.

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I got creative, and made a light bar out of some aluminum stodk. Hella 500's FTMFW!

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Installed my '07 FXT headunit with aux input (still need to get the cable).

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Found some mud.

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Then I decided to get off my lazy arse and install the header that I'd bought back in September...

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JUST FYI:
For BH owners, my header rubs slightly against the FSB over rough pavement or when the engine pitches a lot (revving). Dunno if this is normally the case, but I thought I'd share my experience.

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And now, just some random pics that I've taken. First one was odd, happened the other day up in Jackson. Went in to Kohls, came out, and another BH Outback (white as well, but pearl and limited) had backed in next to me! You NEVER see subaru's around here, and this is the first Outback I've seen in this area other than mine. Stuck a SO.org card under their wiper.

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That's all for now. Will update as I get moar cowbell.



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:52 am 
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Nice, an Outback was my first car acquisition as well. Be careful though, when the mod bug bites, it doesn't let go easily. You've got a good start so far though!



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:02 am 
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anothernord wrote:
Nice, an Outback was my first car acquisition as well. Be careful though, when the mod bug bites, it doesn't let go easily. You've got a good start so far though!


Oh trust me... It's bitten, and it is sucking the blood out of me.

In another tab, there is ebay, with a page full of Eaton M62 search results showing. Curse you! :lol:

No, I actually think that after college, I'll keep it, buy something else, and do a turbo H6 + M/T build. :twisted:



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:34 am 
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http://www.ludicrous-speed.com/wiki/ind ... ild_Part_1

Do it. You have the same engine, so it will be a piece of cake!



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 12:28 pm 
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That would be pretty sweet. I've always been a supercharger guy, I like the ability to install in pieces without having the car our of commission (for the most part). My cousin has a Mini Cooper S JCW S/C, and I love it. Boost whenever you hit the pedal, and no waiting for a turbo to spool.

I'd have no issues with the mechanical/installation end, it's the tuning that I'd screw up. I guess I just need to learn more on that part.

If I had all my crap together I could probably do it in a summer. :razz:

Hrmm. Maybe a S/C H6 swap instead. I really love the H6, and it bolts right in... just add the 2001 ECU and you're good to go.



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Just a couple pics I snapped today. :smt026

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I like your license plate frame. :smt005



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Nice job on the intake mod! Very clean, looks factory.



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anothernord wrote:
I like your license plate frame. :smt005


:grin: I used to have a sticker on my truck that said, "JUST BECAUSE I'M ONLY AT 3FT A.G.L. DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT FLYING." Most people didn't get that one. :-( I guess it's just a pilot thing.

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Nice job on the intake mod! Very clean, looks factory.


Thanks! The plasti-dip hides the ghetto-tasticness.



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MudRunner wrote:
anothernord wrote:
I like your license plate frame. :smt005


:grin: I used to have a sticker on my truck that said, "JUST BECAUSE I'M ONLY AT 3FT A.G.L. DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT FLYING." Most people didn't get that one. :-( I guess it's just a pilot thing.


Pilot here. :smt006 I actually just landed in a 182 about 20 minutes ago!



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anothernord wrote:
MudRunner wrote:
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I like your license plate frame. :smt005


:grin: I used to have a sticker on my truck that said, "JUST BECAUSE I'M ONLY AT 3FT A.G.L. DOESN'T MEAN I'M NOT FLYING." Most people didn't get that one. :-( I guess it's just a pilot thing.


Pilot here. :smt006 I actually just landed in a 182 about 20 minutes ago!


Awesome! :smt023 I'm still holding my student certificate. Got about 15 hours in the 172, should solo in a few more, or so says my instructor. :smt026

I'm going to Kansas State next fall, majoring in their Pro Pilot program, as well as their Aviation MX program. My whole family is full of pilots, so it only made sense to follow suit. :grin: Right now it's not exactly the career field to be in, but I don't care if I have to live in the back of the Outback, I'm gonna fly, darnit! :lol:



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback. '00 BH5 (updated 12-3-09)
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do you still have the factory scoop thing? Cuz I'd be interested :P

Oh and the FSB/header contact, if you switch to some Group N engine mounts, that should help.



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do you still have the factory scoop thing? Cuz I'd be interested :P

Oh and the FSB/header contact, if you switch to some Group N engine mounts, that should help.


Nah, I sold it to a local while I was up there. Kinda wish I'd kept it to play around with different setups.

Are the Group N mounts model specific :smt017 ? Where's the best place to buy them?

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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback. '00 BH5 (updated 12-3-09)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:29 pm 
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MudRunner wrote:
rougeben83 wrote:
do you still have the factory scoop thing? Cuz I'd be interested :P

Oh and the FSB/header contact, if you switch to some Group N engine mounts, that should help.


Nah, I sold it to a local while I was up there. Kinda wish I'd kept it to play around with different setups.

Are the Group N mounts model specific :smt017 ? Where's the best place to buy them?

-Zach


They are not model specific, but you might have to reuse your stock top-plates. I did in my car.

You can buy each side individually, $60 a piece. I bought mine in person from these guys.

http://www.flatironstuning.com/p-1021-s ... ounts.aspx



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Cool... I'll be saving mah moneys for that. :grin:



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MudRunner wrote:
Cool... I'll be saving mah moneys for that. :grin:


I think that when you're N/A, the best mods are ones that tighten up the drivetrain and suspension. That's what these cars are all about anyway; they're made to turn!



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MudRunner wrote:
Cool... I'll be saving mah moneys for that. :grin:


I think that when you're N/A, the best mods are ones that tighten up the drivetrain and suspension. That's what these cars are all about anyway; they're made to turn!


My thoughts exactly... you get much more bang for your buck that way. I was just unaware that the Group N mounts were somewhat universal. :!: Good to know! I'll probably get them after the Christmas... I just spent all my money on mom's present (some of the rebuild parts for her chevy small block :lol: ) .

It's kind of odd, my car handles better now that it's lifted and on GR-2's than it did stock. I guess the stiffer springs and better valving compensate for the slightly higher CG. I'm still pondering on the rear sway, everybody says the RalliTEK one is perfect for the spring setup, and makes the car very neutral. You can already kick the back end out with a little work slick roads (parking lots in my case... Imma not doin' that on a road... lol).



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So my grandfather thought it would be funny to dig a hole in my favorite trail, and then refill it with soft clay. He wanted me to get stuck!

Well, much to his dismay, I found that hole today, and did NOT get stuck. Go Subaru. :lol:


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With the Foz.... :grin: I've had people argue that it has the same wheels as the Outback. It does not... they are painted a different color, and in this pic, are covered in brake dust. EBC Greenies = awesome cold stopping. Side affect? Insane dust. :-( Still debating on what to put on the Outback as far as pads go. Anybody have suggestions?

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MudRunner wrote:
With the Foz.... :grin: I've had people argue that it has the same wheels as the Outback. It does not... they are painted a different color, and in this pic, are covered in brake dust. EBC Greenies = awesome cold stopping. Side affect? Insane dust. :-( Still debating on what to put on the Outback as far as pads go. Anybody have suggestions?

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if you think EBC greens are aggressive and have a lot of dust...I would suggest an OEM pad to you. You're not going to get any tamer than the Greens for aftermarket choices. In fact, I was not too satisfied with them at all.



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback. '00 BH5 (updated 12-3-09)
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if you think EBC greens are aggressive and have a lot of dust...I would suggest an OEM pad to you. You're not going to get any tamer than the Greens for aftermarket choices. In fact, I was not too satisfied with them at all.


:smt017 The OEM ones are puny on this thing, even bedded properly (the dealer had no idea what bedding was?!). The 2000's have smaller front brakes than everybody else, and it definitely shows with stock pads.

My dad had Hawk HPS on his '07 OB 2.5XT before he sold it last year, and they didn't dust as bad as the greenies, and were much more aggressive.

I totally agree, and the thing that bothers me about the greens, is that their dust:performance ratio isn't good enough. I don't mind pads that dust if they perform like they should, but the greens do not. They're better than stock (for cold bite, which is what I really need in a rural area with lots of deer), but not enough to match the extra dust output.

I think I may just get HPS for it, if I can find them in the proper size. Some places that I'm looking don't show them for this model year. :-?



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 Post subject: Re: The BattleWagon... Mud's Outback. '00 BH5 (updated 12-3-09)
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if you think EBC greens are aggressive and have a lot of dust...I would suggest an OEM pad to you. You're not going to get any tamer than the Greens for aftermarket choices. In fact, I was not too satisfied with them at all.


:smt017 The OEM ones are puny on this thing, even bedded properly (the dealer had no idea what bedding was?!). The 2000's have smaller front brakes than everybody else, and it definitely shows with stock pads.

My dad had Hawk HPS on his '07 OB 2.5XT before he sold it last year, and they didn't dust as bad as the greenies, and were much more aggressive.

I totally agree, and the thing that bothers me about the greens, is that their dust:performance ratio isn't good enough. I don't mind pads that dust if they perform like they should, but the greens do not. They're better than stock (for cold bite, which is what I really need in a rural area with lots of deer), but not enough to match the extra dust output.

I think I may just get HPS for it, if I can find them in the proper size. Some places that I'm looking don't show them for this model year. :-?


You have the same brakes as I did (10.7" rotor, 11.4" in the back), the front uses the same dual piston caliper as every other subaru since the late 90's to 2003 when wrx's and Legacy's switched to a different pad shape. Its the D729 pad shape I think. You can google to see a diagram of the pad and compare it to yours, there's only really 2 pad shapes you'd have to distinguish between. You can easily upgrade to the front 11.4" rotor of the Legacy GT's and WRX's, it uses the same caliper - you just need the bracket and rotor while retaining both your caliper and pad.

The HPS dust about the same as the green's, the greens just has a different color dust. I would try an EBC yellow (I think that's its a ceramic formulation but a more aggressive pad used by amateur rallyists) if you want to stay EBC, or HPS if dust is really that important to you. I wouldve also suggested axxis/PBR ultimates for the cold initial bite (really, you'll see just how lacking the Greens are when you try this pad) but they dust a lot, also Porterfield RS4 but again it has a little more dust than the HPS. Next up to that would have to be the street/track pads like HP+, Bobcats, or Porterfield R4's (what I'm currently using) but youre sacrificing some dust and noise to get really *good* brake feel and stopping power.



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if you think EBC greens are aggressive and have a lot of dust...I would suggest an OEM pad to you. You're not going to get any tamer than the Greens for aftermarket choices. In fact, I was not too satisfied with them at all.


:smt017 The OEM ones are puny on this thing, even bedded properly (the dealer had no idea what bedding was?!). The 2000's have smaller front brakes than everybody else, and it definitely shows with stock pads.

My dad had Hawk HPS on his '07 OB 2.5XT before he sold it last year, and they didn't dust as bad as the greenies, and were much more aggressive.

I totally agree, and the thing that bothers me about the greens, is that their dust:performance ratio isn't good enough. I don't mind pads that dust if they perform like they should, but the greens do not. They're better than stock (for cold bite, which is what I really need in a rural area with lots of deer), but not enough to match the extra dust output.

I think I may just get HPS for it, if I can find them in the proper size. Some places that I'm looking don't show them for this model year. :-?


You have the same brakes as I did (10.7" rotor, 11.4" in the back), the front uses the same dual piston caliper in the front as every other subaru since the late 90's to 2003 (wrx's and Legacy's switched to a different pad shape). Its the D729 pad shape I think. You can easily upgrade to the 11.4" rotor of the Legacy GT's and WRX's, it uses the same caliper - you just need the bracket and rotor.

The HPS dust about the same as the green's, the greens just has a different color dust. I would try an EBC yellow (I think that's its a ceramic formulation but a more aggressive pad used by amateur rallyists) if you want to stay EBC, or HPS if dust is really that important to you. I would also suggest axxis/PBR ultimates for the cold initial bite (really, you'll see just how lacking the Greens are when you try this pad) but they dust a lot, also Porterfield RS4 but again it has a little more dust than the HPS.



Thanks for the help! :grin: Like I said, the dust doesn't bother me if they're working properly. I might have to try the PBR Ultimates!

Will be looking for a set of brackets and rotors as well... do I just need the regular brackets from a LGT/WRX or are they some sort of adaptation?



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MudRunner wrote:
rougeben83 wrote:
MudRunner wrote:
rougeben83 wrote:


if you think EBC greens are aggressive and have a lot of dust...I would suggest an OEM pad to you. You're not going to get any tamer than the Greens for aftermarket choices. In fact, I was not too satisfied with them at all.


:smt017 The OEM ones are puny on this thing, even bedded properly (the dealer had no idea what bedding was?!). The 2000's have smaller front brakes than everybody else, and it definitely shows with stock pads.

My dad had Hawk HPS on his '07 OB 2.5XT before he sold it last year, and they didn't dust as bad as the greenies, and were much more aggressive.

I totally agree, and the thing that bothers me about the greens, is that their dust:performance ratio isn't good enough. I don't mind pads that dust if they perform like they should, but the greens do not. They're better than stock (for cold bite, which is what I really need in a rural area with lots of deer), but not enough to match the extra dust output.

I think I may just get HPS for it, if I can find them in the proper size. Some places that I'm looking don't show them for this model year. :-?


You have the same brakes as I did (10.7" rotor, 11.4" in the back), the front uses the same dual piston caliper in the front as every other subaru since the late 90's to 2003 (wrx's and Legacy's switched to a different pad shape). Its the D729 pad shape I think. You can easily upgrade to the 11.4" rotor of the Legacy GT's and WRX's, it uses the same caliper - you just need the bracket and rotor.

The HPS dust about the same as the green's, the greens just has a different color dust. I would try an EBC yellow (I think that's its a ceramic formulation but a more aggressive pad used by amateur rallyists) if you want to stay EBC, or HPS if dust is really that important to you. I would also suggest axxis/PBR ultimates for the cold initial bite (really, you'll see just how lacking the Greens are when you try this pad) but they dust a lot, also Porterfield RS4 but again it has a little more dust than the HPS.



Thanks for the help! :grin: Like I said, the dust doesn't bother me if they're working properly. I might have to try the PBR Ultimates!

Will be looking for a set of brackets and rotors as well... do I just need the regular brackets from a LGT/WRX or are they some sort of adaptation?


yeah its straight bolt-on, just search in the brakes forum, there should be a thread about it. Forgot to say if you are getting just the brackets, you'll need the 02-early 03 WRX brackets, the 04+ brackets are different. If youre getting the bracket/caliper together, then it doesn't really matter. Oh and cheap but decent rotors from autozone are like $35ea for the 11.4" rotor.



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